Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. Lack of petechiae. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? He is a monster. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. Like a scene from Friday the 13th. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? Perhaps it is safer that the majority public dont know the facts. How was she about her childrens allergies? CW planned it, read it up. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. There is no soul in his eyes. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. It was all a complete lie. Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Just a suggestion. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. I just dont get it. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Which is odd to me again. I think he had mental issues too. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. Esophagus: .. Chris was ocd also. Good work. > Most do not, really? Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? How dare you blame the victim? They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. B . CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. He was an operator for Anadarko. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Thanks! I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. They were smothered. So yeah sigh! @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. So the agent says what about strangling? Correct. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! And to come home to a cheating bum! And dropped her in alive? I didnt know what else to do. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. of OCD triggers and symptoms. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. This was the last time she was seen alive. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Chris Watts. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. @huey Please read todays post where it reads (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. I did. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Im a survivor. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! They are finger prints from his hands. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. 100% agree. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. I am not sure that he planned the murders. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Stranglehold Theory. Areas of bruising, external. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. 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